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Topic: Bergman to high?
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whyBishNew Zealand flag
Blue Tigeroo you are correct.
http://www.3dkingdoms.com/chess/elo.htm

Practically of course there are a few problems,
a) elo is only good if opponents are selected at random
b) elo is not a good predictor for large rating differences (the tail shape studies show that normal distribution is not the correct shape) (i.e. I have no chance of beating Carlsen, no matter what my elo 'chance' might say)

RaethUnited States flag

"elo is only good if opponents are selected at random"


Isn't ELO generally a good indication of playing strength that becomes more accurate with every game that is played?

Isn't the problem really the number of games played because the distribution auto-corrects over time?

whyBishNew Zealand flag
an elo rating is only valid for a population if it is based on random matches between players in that population. e.g. if you just played against a mate on QA, one of you would get a really high elo, and one a really low one, even though you might both be GMs.

RaethUnited States flag
Ok so then more specifically, the problem is number of games played in equal proportion to number of unique opponents; I just don't see where the random comes in... :-/

Blutigeroo
It has to be a large sample with mostly random player selection so as to
limit patterns that would compromise a normal rating distribution.
If smaller groups are arranging games within a bigger group,
they can't even compare ratings within that larger group.

Although I agree with what whyBish stated, I think he
could beat a Carlsen once in a thousand games. The elo
distribution develops from the other characteristics of chess,
such as a lucky position that allows a much lower rated
player to occasionally win. If it really was just
about skill, you could never beat someone 400 points
ahead of you. Their knowledge is a couple of levels higher at least!

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