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Topic: draw by repetition
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It would be good if there were a standard procedure for claiming such draws (in cases where the opponent won't accept the draw offer). Maybe there could be an official thread where links to games can be posted. No other messages or comments would be allowed on that thread, except by Miguel. Posts on the thread that have been dealt with can be deleted.
I don't think the game should be drawn automatically by the system as it is the players' responsibility to notice and claim if threefold repetition has occurred.
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hi jcm,
I concur with you on 2 points: (1) the need for a standard procedore for claiming draws by repetition; and (2) the game should not be automatically drawn by the system.
However, I propose sending private messages to Miguel detailing the game in question, instead of a dedicated thread in this forum. This is to avoid raising undue attention (and potential embarrassment) to an opponent.
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I think its possible for Miguel to made this system with automatically draw when threefold repetition has been playd. That would be the best thing. No argument. On the server chessclub ICC its that way. I think private messages to Miguel is to much work for him as it is really not needed.
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I partially agree with Gambitshark.
The system could detect three fold repetition, but instead of give the draw automatically, it should appear an icon (like the clock when the opponent run out of time), and then the game should be claimed as draw by anyone of both who click that icon.
Cheers, Beco.
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Gambitshark,
I proposed private message AS AN ALTERNATIVE to a dedicated thread. You seem to have missed out on the part where I said "INSTEAD OF".
Programming the system to detect 3-fold repetition is a lot of programming work for Miguel, too, sharky. Possibly a lot more work than answering a private message to claim draw by 3-fold repetition from time to time. Only Miguel can decide that for himself. As a web developer, one has to balance these things, you know.
Depending on the way it's programmed, it may also put additional burden on the CPU load of the server, coz every time a game is loaded from the server, the position will have to be checked for possible 3-fold repetition. Since Miguel is the only one privy to this site's server statistics and the way the web pages are served out, he's probably the only one who can say with absolute authority what is or isn't necessary on the site. REALLY! (pun intended)
Passing on the checking for 3-fold repetition to the end-user's computer via client-side scripting (JavaScript) is also a possibility to minimize server CPU load, but with it comes a whole slew of potential technical problems. Again, these are things that Miguel must weigh for himself.
I suggest you look up the rules of chess regarding 3-fold repetition. The same position happening 3 or more times in a game does NOT automatically result in a draw, just like what jcm and beco said. The draw has to be CLAIMED.
It doesn't matter if the ICC or other chess servers are doing it, if it violates the basic rules of chess, then it makes no sense to adopt it here.
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Maybe the server could check if there is a threefold repetition only when someone marks the draw offer - and then adjudicate the draw automatically?
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