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Topic: Tournament winners tied
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Round 2 Group 1
Nick Rating Score
johntelker 1715 2
andreavb 1785 5
tclout 1876 5
Round 1 Group 1
Nick Rating Score
xmas 1483 2
J_Ricardo 1530 2
andreavb 1785 12
ravague 1800 8
Round 1 Group 3
Nick Rating Score
filhoje 1595 8
l 1593 4
tclout 1876 12
Reichenau 1274p 0
Andreavb Average Opponent Score Round 1 (x1000): (2+2+8)/3 = 4 = 4000
tclout Average Opponent Score Round 1 (x1000): (8+4)/3 = 4 = 4000
Andreavb Average Opponent Score Round 2 (x1000): (5+2)/2 = 3.5 = 3500
tclout Average Opponent Score Round 2 (x1000): (5+2)/2 = 3.5 = 3500
Andreavb All Tournment Average Opponent Score (x1000): (2+2+8+5+2)/5 = 3.8 = 3800
tclout All Tournment Average Opponent Score (x1000): (8+4+5+2)/5 = 3.8 = 3800
What we can see is that each round the same amount of points is disputed, and so, every time the first tie-break also tie.
Maybe the first tie-break should be changed to the average ratings, not the average points...
Andreavb Average Opponent Ratings Round 1: (1483+1530+1800)/3 = 1607.67
tclout Average Opponent Ratings Round 1: (1595+1593+1274)/3 = 1487.33
Andreavb Average Opponent Ratings Round 2 = (1715+1876)/2 = 1795.5
tclout Average Opponent Ratings Round 2= (1715+1785)/2 = 1750
Andreavb All Tournment Average Opponent Ratings: 1682.8
tclout All Tournment Average Opponent Ratings: 1592.4
My 2 cents here.
Cheers,
Beco.
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Beco,
thank you very much for your explanation!
but... note that you've used _nowadays_ ratings.
At the tourney, ratings were
andreavb 1779
tclout 1748
So, my avg opp rating is lesser than his one.
I couldn't find the exact rating of the other players :(
johntelker was about 18xx
JRicardo was 13xx
Ravague: 14xx
xmas: 12xx
l: 16xx
filhoje: 16xx
Reichenau: 12xx
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The ratings is just an suggestion.
The real first tie-break is based on score, not ratings.
beco.
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Ok, ok... I think I was not clear enough.
Let me state again the same opinion with more strong words, risking to incur in error:
I think the first tie-break has a bug. It is never used. It is allways drawn.
Why? Because every group dispute the same amount of points. So if we are making an average of my opponents score, and I played against all, they will average the same.
Look above again:
Andreavb Opponent Scores Round 1: 2+2+8 = 12
tclout Opponent Scores Round 1: 8+4+0 = 12
and so on...
Got the idea?
Best wishes,
Beco.
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Beco, I understood it. :)
The explanation was good, the examples were wrong :(
Well, about your last post... it's not true that it will ever be this way. It will be if you reach 12 points - then, 12 points are for your opponent.
If the winner of a group loses one match, he'll be 10 points - and the sum of his Opp scores will be 14. Not a bug, but... the muchier(?) you do, the worst you get? (Scoring 10 points signifies a better tie-break against who scores 12)
Weird... :)
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